This is circulating as humor among “compassionate” “conservatives.” I cannot imagine that this is real; yet, I trust that it is. The mentality and the message fascinate me, sadly. The depth of my grief is great.
I cannot imagine that these “caring” souls consider all Islamic as one. The narrow frame that equates Saddam Hussein with Osama Bin Laden baffles me. The disregard for reasons and the rational behind 9/11 overwhelms me.
This writing nauseates me, as does the idea of “not caring.” This colloquial phrase is an American euphemism and one I have long thought is the saddest state of affairs. When we choose not to care, we eliminate all empathy. We forego any understanding. Knowledge is not ours, nor is power.
Nonetheless, those that see “evil” in others embrace this idiom; ignorance is their bliss! Though I do not believe in promoting the idea of an enemy, I acknowledge that people such as these say, “Know they enemy;” therefore I present this epistle. Please ponder what this says of America and Americans. How might the world view us and why? This for me, is scary stuff!!!!
Below is the Song of Compassionate Conservatives, those that don't care at all! . . .
I could not have said this any better myself, especially today. The lady, who wrote this letter, is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and Associates in Atlanta. She's been in business since 1980 doing interior design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member serving in Iraq. Read it...
WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS? "Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it, or was it not, started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001? Were not people from all over the world, mostly Americans, brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol, and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning, or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an over-worked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all!
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of that is a crime in Saudi Arabia.
I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men, instead of disrespecting their own religion, by hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots, who blow themselves up in search of nirvana, care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
I'll care when Clinton-appointed judges stop ordering my government to release photos of the abuses at Abu Ghraib, which are sure to set off the Islamic extremists, just as Newsweek’s lies did a few weeks ago.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave Marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners, who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head, when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -- you guessed it -- I don't care!"
It was asked by the author of the blog piece if was it too 'sick' to post. My reply was and is: Is it too sick? Pam Foster wrote it and somehow it has been published and so why not share it. It, as it does for you, saddens AND SICKENS me. Her attitude is harsh and heartless toward others, only caring for what is perceived as "American." A very narrow perspective indeed.
Posted by: anonymous | Friday, July 29, 2005 at 06:05 PM
To any innocent who feels offended by what I posted, except my appologies. The posts were directed towards those who brutalize others in their twisted definitions of freedom, liberty and justice and in the persuit of spreading Peace through the barrel of the piece.
For many years the atrocities have continued, excused away, justified or errased or new words invented to desensitize the readers and watchers. The created enemy, demonized.
When a government kills 25,000 civilians it is called calateral damage, When an American kills 10 without permission by the government that person is demonized and called a serial killer. The American military as other governments have trained large numbers of their own to be serial killers. And with a number count on their records they are given medals, respect and honor.
But they do not call them serial killers, they call them heros and soldiers.
Ask yourself why democracies, lands of freedom, justice and the persuit of peace and happyness are in need of more than 20,000 atomic bombs. It is called nuclear terrorizm. Those bombs were built for the extermination of civilians, not military. Are American lives of more value than the Indian child, or the Chilian child, or the Iraqi child? Is not the love of family members be they, brothers, uncles, cousins, mothers and fathers
of the same value American families have for their own.
Of course it is and I believe the larger percent of Americans intuitivly know the truth of such.
Ask yourself why was the neutron bomb developed.
Its plan was to be used over cities where the neutron burst would emitt massive amounts of deadly neutrons illimination all life forms in the city without distroying the city itself.
And ask yourself how much damage war and armed conflict between waring groups is caused to nature, the waters, the soil, the air and all the other life forms on earth who have nothing to do with the human conflicts, no say about them what so ever. how many massive millions of other life forms on earth are slaughtered while the seemingly mindless humans beat each other over the head with their stone axes.
I have lived in the world for many years and know human beings from a variety of different countries and different cultures. Often the discussion is about The Americans. Americans are not hated by the worlds' people, pityful and tragic are more often the words used for Americans.
Perhaps one day in the future, Americans will again have their country back, no longer afraid of all the shadows of this world, to enjoy the bountiful beauty of the planet earth, their home also, one living organism, 4.5 billion years of age. Humans have only been here for 2 seconds of that time period and if they are going to be longer, their behavior must change.
Best Regards
Rolf Krogsæter
Posted by: Rolf | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 09:18 PM
Regarding the comment that all Muslims are being demonized by Pamela Foster.
If Muslims don't want to be grouped together than it's high time they take a public stand against the evil that is being perpetrated in the name of their religion.
Muslims can be very vocal when they want to be. There have been several Muslims demonstrations to emphasize their feelings. However, why is that we don't see any of these demonstrations aimed at denouncing the atrocities of their fellow Muslims. Where is the fist waving. Where is the jumping up and down? Where is the chanting? Where is the anger?
Perhaps Pamela like a lot of Americans are sick and tired of hearing how badly the Muslims are being treated and how insensitive we are to their needs. The road goes in both directions and it's high time these Muslims started letting out how they feel. Or perhaps their silence on the matter answers the question more than any demonstration ever could.
Posted by: Suzanne | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 05:04 PM
Suzanne: If moderate Muslims were being vocal in opposition to the extremists, how would you know about it? Are some of your neighbors Muslims, and do you hear them talking among themselves? Do you attend their religious and community meetings to hear what their leaders are saying?
If there were Muslim demonstrations against Muslim extremists, would they they make the news, or at least the news sources you consult?
In fact there is Muslim opposition to Muslim extremism.
Some books for you:
Progressive Muslims: On Justice, Gender, and Pluralism, edited by Omid Safi.
American Muslims: Bridging Faith and Freedom, by M. A. Muqtedar Khan.
What's Right with Islam: A New Vision for Muslims and the West, by Feisal Abdul Rauf.
The Trouble with Islam Today: A Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith, by Irshad Manji.
The War for Muslim Minds: Islam and the West, by Gilles Kepel.
These books are reviewed in the August 9, 2005, issue of the Christian Century.
Meg
Posted by: Meg | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:53 PM
Suzanne -
I don't know what to say. Muslims may feel that, in the eyes of some Americans, they can do no right. Standing up and demonstrating can only give fuel to the fire against them.
Posted by: julie | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 01:42 AM
Dear Suzanne . . .
The Muslim religion advocates peace. If the American media were not so easily influenced by the Whitehouse agenda, the public would know this. If there were more than six corporations collectively informing our nation, then, possibly, citizens would see what is. They would know; there are Muslims speaking out and attempting to share their message of calm. However, the Muslim community is not covered well.
Those practicing Islam in this nation are reluctant to speak too loudly. They do not wish to call attention to themselves or their true mission. Muslims have righteous fear. You may recall, since September 11, 2001, racial profiling is prevalent. The Patriot Act allows for so much more government-sponsored discrimination.
Suzanne, you may personally wish to explore. Speak to Muslims, listen to their thoughts, and be open to their concerns. Realize they may be silent only to those that do not speak to them, those that look at them suspiciously.
Betsy L. Angert
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 02:34 AM
I appreciate all your thoughts. However, I have lived most of my life (51 years)in a community that has one of the highest concentrations of Muslims in America. I don't consider myself an an expert on Islam, but I and my neighbors have had a little more experience with this group of people than most Americans. Believe me when I say that they are not afraid to be heard because they fear repricocity. They have no trouble broadcasting their prayers every 4 hours over loud speakers from their mosques that broadcast to a mixed neighborhood of religious beliefs. That means at 12 midnight and 4 am too. If they are afraid to draw attention to themselves you sure wouldn't know it. Not everyone appreciates being woken at 12 midnight and 4 am to hear another's prayers especially in a foreign language. This has been going on for almost as long as I can remember. If you want to believe their excuse that they don't want to draw attention to themselves, thats your right. However, your belief is wrong.
Also it stands to reason if I were being grouped with a people I was opposed to,my response would be verbal and it would be loud. And they can be be both-when they want to be. It is by their very silence that they are being grouped all together. They certainly have the means of getting their message out-that is if they really want to.
Posted by: Suzanne | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 04:41 PM
Dear Suzanne . . .
I am curious; I too live in a neighborhood with a large Muslim population. I shop in Persian stores. I have had neighbors, friends and acquaintances that practice Islam. All that I know are openly against the wars and say so.
I wonder. Have you befriended some of those in your neighborhood and chatted with them, discussing your desire that they actively speak out against the violence? If so, what do they say?
Possibly, you are in an emotional state of irritation. I think any of us would be, having neighbors that do not honor the neighborhood. Loud noises during the dark of night or before dawn can be quite disconcerting. I think, if prayers were broadcast over speakers, saturating the calm of the community, I too would feel as though this group is imposing on me. Unwelcome attempts at conversion, be they religious or philosophical can be distressing. Might it be that you are reacting to these disturbing realities??
I believe that without caring communication there are often misunderstanding. Perhaps, silence, yours, and theirs, is creating an inaccurate impression. Just a thought . . .
May you live long, learn much, and feel fulfilled . . . Betsy
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 07:44 PM
Suzanne: If they oppose what some of their own number are doing, would they be more likely to voice that to you or to each other?
Your Muslim neighbors probably don't know what coversations happen among you and your coreligionists either.
And, like I pointed out before, there are some very prominent Muslim voices speaking out again Islamist terrorism. That you haven't encountered these leaders and their writings doesn't mean they don't exist.
Meg
Posted by: Meg | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 07:54 PM
Dear Suzanne . . .
Reflecting on my last comment to you I realize that I need to apologize. I was presuming and assuming, I may have been projecting.
Possibly, I was thinking of my own history. In my life, when I imagine or suppose what another is thinking, doing, or feeling, more often than not, I am in error. When I pretend to know what I might think, say, or do in circumstances that I perceive to be similar, I am negating that their situation, may be quite different.
I realize that if I am open, if I choose empathy, if I choose to consider where others might be emotionally, physically, spiritually or otherwise, my perspective changes.
Years ago, I discovered a wondrous axiom, “When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” While this may seem silly, obvious, or even flawed in logic, I know that in my own life when I act on this belief, I find it is accurate.
My interactions are affected by my thoughts. If I hold certain expectations to be true, I will act on these and thus create what I predicted. I often marvel at the idea of self-fulfilling prophecy.
I have also learned that silence kills. When I do not dare speak, ask, listen, and empathize, then I know nothing with certainty. Thoughts within my own mind are merely that. I trust that if I am closed, not communicating, not sharing sincerely, then I know nothing of others. I only know what I think. I experience that caring connections are created when we speak with concern and compassion.
For me, being open to what I never imagined, sharing with people deeply, sincerely, and with a genuine interest, always brings the best. My experience is that people rarely intend to hurt another. With quiet there is no much misunderstanding.
Therefore, I ask of your circumstances. I apologize for any, and every, assumption that I might have made. I trust that suppositions are rarely, if ever correct.
May you live long, learn much, and feel fulfilled . . . Betsy
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 02:51 AM
It is astoundingly pathetic to be presented time and again with the ignorance of my brother and sister americans who find it easier to catagorize and stereotype a religious group without the slightest notion of factual content. Why is it necessary to title an arab individual who has committed a sinful act as an "Islamic terrorists"? The wrong committed is not an act advocated by Islam; so why is it so easily put so. Islam directly translates to peace; and true followers of Islam know that to kill one person is the same to God as if you had killed the entire human race. Terrorists, of any race or religion, should never be identified as such; the color born or the religion followed simply has nothing to do with killing. Murder is a human act, not one which is influenced by the creation or word of God. If Americans continue to choose to stereotype Arab Muslims as being terrorists, there is no reason than to forget the American Christian terrorist so many conservatives voted into office. But most would never want to open their eyes to what they blindly follow...a man that is directly responsible for killing both foriegn civilians and domestic soldiers. Please remember that we are all part of one human family. As for the call to prayer you may hear from loud speakers...I'm not sure if I've ever heard a Muslim complain about those damn bells.
Posted by: karen | Friday, August 26, 2005 at 11:39 AM
Dear Karen . . .
I thank you for posting your thoughts!!!!!!!
If you read my introduction to the Pamela Foster piece, you know I totally agree with you. That is why I thought the email so very deplorable!
May your life be full and fulfilling. May abundance be yours . . . Betsy
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert | Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 11:44 AM
seems like the muslims blow up a lot more stuff than other people do.
not a lot of other groups go on tv and cut off innocent peoples heads...
sorry, but i DO NOT think they speak out loudly enough about this. and yes i do have at least one muslim friend who i have known for 20 years, and he oddly enough is a republican.
lastly ...karen... you say it is wrong to call anyone a terroist and then in the next line...YOU DO...duh
never heard of an american christian terrorist...perhaps because you just made it up.
and they don't ring church bells at 4am...
Posted by: j hoerath | Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 11:49 PM
You are all sheltered, living in your heads.
Nick Berg and Paul Johnson (who's family I am acquainted with)no longer have heads. Listen to the gurgling, if that's what it takes to get your attention.
Read my lips.
Their STATED agenda is to kill us all. They are not camoflaging a thing.
Period. They do not deny it. And they demonstrate it daily.
What will it take for you to get it?
This is not a debate about the relative merits of the legitimate world religions.
Most Muslim people around the world are also living in terror accomplished through the abuse of their faith at the hands of others.
Understand the nature of an enemy. Because you should make no mistake about it. These terrorists are not "misunderstood" social entities.
They are animals. And you and I are their enemy.
God help us all if you don't wake up to that.
Posted by: no fantasy | Friday, November 11, 2005 at 11:18 PM
I have deliberately left my email address blank so that I don’t have to keep removing Crank messages from my mailbox – I will read them on this site, if you post any.
America and it’s fellow travellers that are or have been in Iraq are there because of YOUR PRESIDENTS LIES about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction to mask the real intention to steal Iraq’s oil supplies.
There is no valid link between 11 September and Iraq – other than the lies told by Bush and Blair (British Prime Minister).
I mean no disrespect to any past or present serving troops in Iraq, alive, deceased or wounded be it physical or mental because they have been sent there by their governments.
America is developing a pattern of electing liars to the presidency – more people need to turn out and vote and to demand that vote counting is legal and fair.
Pamela Foster (Whoever the hell she is) talks about the tragedy of 11 September and how many lives were lost and it is indeed a terrible loss, but I’ll bet she hasn’t a clue how many children have been killed, maimed, orphaned or left homeless in Iraq, and thanks to your governments cover up of the casualties she probably doesn’t know how many body bags have been returned home to America and other participating countries – assuming she cares.
Iraq has turned into another Vietnam and Afghanistan where a bunch of dusty rag tag fighters will kick Americas might ass all the way back to the White House.
Posted by: Bill - Australia | Saturday, November 19, 2005 at 08:08 AM
Dear Bill . . .
I greatly appreciate your sharing. I have no arguments with your sentiments. The Afghanistan, Iraq debacle is a sadness to me, as is the apathy of all too many Americans.
Please feel free to enlighten Americans at this site. There will be no words of cranky criticism from me.
with warm regards . . . Betsy L. Angert
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert | Sunday, November 20, 2005 at 03:32 PM
Subject: "I DON'T CARE!"
Counter Subject: “I DO CARE”
The lady that wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and
Associates in Atlanta. She's been in business since 1980 doing interior
design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member
serving in Iraq. Read it!
The person that is going to reply to this letter is a Citizen of this United States
And feels that this type of garbage is what has gotten this United States into
the terrible mess that we are in today. I truly hope that this is not the true
feelings of the masses of this country. I for one do not share this ridicules attitude.
I have never done anything like this before and I suspect that neither have the
vast majority of the citizens of this United States. Maybe we all need to get off of
our duffs and let it be known that this opinion is not shared by all of us.
>"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started
>by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?
>
We are indeed fighting a War, for what purpose I believe the jury is still out on that.
It was started by some radical Arabs. Not by Iraqis. If they were Islamic
as well, does that make all Islamic people BAD? I think not, any more than
it makes us all WAR MONGERS.
>Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally
>murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our
>nation's capitol, and in a field in Pennsylvania?
>Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning
>or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
>
You are dead right again. It was a disaster. But how many innocent Iraqis
have perished in Iraq? Burned and crushed and maimed by our bombs. Does
anyone even know? What did those innocent people do to us? What about
those women, children and babies, what did they do to us? What is their crime?
Were they stupid enough to be born in an OIL RICH nation? Did they live in
a country who’s leader tried to kill our Presidents Father? How STUPID can
they be?
>And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated"
> when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I
>don't. I don't care at all.
>
Our ‘Holy Bible’ tells us to live in peace as much as possible and do unto others
as we would have them do unto us. I do care that this happened, but it’s
not worth a big fuss.
>I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for
>incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
>
I care that Osama Bin Laden has not been caught. Why hasn’t he? He is the
real criminal, so why not use our forces to find him? I’ll stand in line to burn
him down.
>I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring
>about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi
>Arabia.
>
Now you are getting closer to the real problem. But why would you expect
other nations to care about ‘OUR HOLY BIBLE’ when our Government is
trying to do away with all traces of ‘OUR GOD’ Why would you have the
gall to expect them to respect something that the United States is trying to
get rid of?
>I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking
>off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling,
>slashed throat.
>
Here again I have to agree with you. But the real question is why is he still
walking this earth? You mean to tell me that the strongest nation on this planet
can’t bring him to justice?
>I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and
>fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by
>hiding in mosques.
Do you recall History at all? Our First President used these same tactics to
defeat the British. We thought it was great then, so what has happened to change that?
They are fighting for their country. They, like us, will do whatever is necessary
to win.
> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of
>nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide
>bombs.
>
I already care, but what are we doing to help solve the problem? Until their own
people have had enough of this stupidity there isn’t much we can do about it.
We have our own problems here at home that we need to fix also. Why not
solve our own problems and let them solve theirs.
>I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
>Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead
>of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
>
I care that our media for the most part is trying to sell us all a bill of goods.
They are telling us just what this administration wants us to know. It doesn’t
have to be the truth, or even resemble the truth, it just has to be what the
administration wants us to see and hear. We are in big trouble here in the
United States and we all just sit around and do nothing. Even let our rights
be taken away from us and still we are as quiet as church mice.
>In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave Marine roughing up an
>Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
>
On this point you and I could not be farther apart. I do care that our brave
service men and women think it is advisable to mistreat Iraqi prisoners.
These prisoners have not been convicted of being a terrorist. Who said
that they are terrorists, Rumsfeld? And you believe him? I’d bet a lot that
if you were in their place and mistreated like they are, you’d say anything
you thought they wanted to hear. Don’t give me your crap until you’ve
traded places with them for a while.
>When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been
>humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that
>I don't care.
>
I figured that you wouldn’t care. There must be something wrong deep
inside of you. This kind of college hazing isn’t allowed in the United States.
I didn’t say it never happens but it isn’t allowed. You should care unless
you support the moral degenerates that seem to be more prevalent all the time.
>When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to
>move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I
>don't care.
>
Yep! You guessed it. What did I say about moral degenerates? Are you
positive this person is a terrorist? If he is wounded maybe he just can’t
stay still. Did he understand that he wasn’t allowed to move? It seems to
me that you are one ANGRY, HARD, COLD person. Too bad that you don’t
direct it where it belongs, like a little closer to home. We are in their home
land and will not leave. What gives you the right to be upset about 9/11/2001
when we’ve done worst to Iraq? Why shouldn’t they be just as mad or madder
than you are? Especially since they had nothing to do with 9/11/2001. Lady,
I’m sure proud not to be on your team. What happened to Human Decency?
I realize this is war and some things can’t be like we would like them to be,
But to say you don’t care?
>When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and
>fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that
>his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your
>heart of hearts that I don't care.
>
Here again you just don’t seem to get it. Have these ‘prisoners’ been tried
and convicted? Could it be that they are innocent? Do you know for sure?
They at the very least deserve a trial. Then if they are terrorists, then line
them up and shoot them and we don’t have to support them anymore. But
if they are innocent then free them and that way we don’t have to support them
anymore either. Could it be that we are afraid to turn them loose after the
way we have treated them? Might they try to extract their pound of American
flesh for their mistreatment? If they weren’t terrorists when we captured them,
they very well could be now after what our government has done to them.
What will you do when our government does the same thing to you or a loved
one? Don’t be so naïve as to think that it couldn’t happen, because all of the
laws are in place to allow it. Who is watching out for you?
>And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran"
> and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and you guessed it, I
>could
>give a rat's ***!
>
What a ridiculous point to make, if this is something that upsets you then
go ahead and don’t give a rat’s***!
>If you agree with this view point, pass this on to all your e-mail friends.
>
>Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous
>behavior! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
>
I have a better idea, if you don’t agree, do something about it. We, the people
of the United States need to take back the government ‘of the people and for
ALL the people’. Not just the RICH. One thing you should do is VOTE,
plus see to it that your VOTE is counted and CORRECTLY. Remember
Ohio and Florida, Maybe if enough of us do something about this problem
we can have a reasonable Honest election. May GOD Bless the United States.
>Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more
>atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country !
>
Posted by: Dale | Monday, November 21, 2005 at 02:48 AM
It is interesting to me that the folks posting all the criticisms of Pamela Foster haven't bothered to find out the true source of the material.
If you feel that you are justified in jumping all over someone, at least find the correct person upon which to pounce.
By the way, I know HIS name, but I'll let you do your own research.
And yes, I pray daily that all this war will soon be over and our men and women can come back home and the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan will be truly free...even to seriously investigate the claims of the Gospel of Jesus... if they so choose.
No I won't yell about the prayer horns in Dearborn. At the same time, I would appreciate it if the antireligionists in America won't yell about my child using Jesus' name in a thanksgiving note at school.
May god bless you all as you seek the truth.
Doyle
Posted by: D Bell | Tuesday, December 06, 2005 at 03:44 PM
I read the letter composed by Ms Pamela Foster and as the son of a career Marine, buried in Arlington National Cemetery, I felt compelled to write and express my feelings. It was so very sell written and she certainly stated what I know millions of Americans such as myself are feeling but have not had the opportunity or the ability to put into words. As a Marine (1956-60) I speak for myself and my son, USMC 1994-1998) when I say Thank You very much Ms Foster for your very heartfelt and very articulate statement regarding your feelings regarding the liberal's stand on our countries handling of the war and the terrorists. I concur and hope that one day the Michael Moores and John Careys of this world will one day wake up to who is really the enemy our nation is facing.
May God Bless you and God Bless the United States
Doug Bruton
Denison, Texas (Birthplace if Dwight D. Eisenhower)
USA
Posted by: Douglas H. Bruton | Thursday, January 05, 2006 at 02:01 PM
This is in reply to Ms Betsy L. Angert who seems to think that all Americans who support our President are biased toward Muslims...I forgot that the planes that flew into the World Trade Center, The Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania were piloted by good ole boys from the Middle East and were here on a peaceful mission....well, for all of you who have not lived in a Muslim country, I would say...go and dwell amonst them...don't give me the crap about all of the Muslims who are living in your neighborhood...go to the Middle East and see how peace loving the leaders of those naions are and how much they want to co-exist with the Christian world. I have been there, long before the current world situation and I have witnessed Christians murdered because they dared expressed their beliefs to another Muslim. It realy seems strange to me that all of those poor fools blowing theirselves up to win a place in heaven and to be awarded a bunch of virgins do not question why their leaders are content to stay here in a world dominated by infidels when they too could be sitting at Alla,s feet, But then I forget...they are staying here to ensure a peaceful co-existence with the Christians. Well, for all of you people who are supporters of the Muslim terrorists...I hope you are present when another one of those good ole boys...pulls the pin on some explosives and murders innocent, men, women and children....
Posted by: Douglas H. Bruton | Thursday, January 05, 2006 at 02:17 PM
All those who don't care enough to want to create a world without killing are not very mentally, emotionally or spiritually developed. It's been thought for many years that Mankind is using only 5 or 10% of its mental potential. This is in fact true and is the only reason we have not been able to live in peace. The knowledge of how to develop 100%, a state of consciousness that has as its normal characteristics bliss, great intelligence, infinite wisdom, love of life, the ability to act in complete harmony with the Laws of Nature and the ability to command them, is being taught all over the world. Research published in major science journals prove that when the Transcendental Meditation technique increases brain wave coherence within and between the hemispheres. As this happens, mental potential increases. When it is fully developed and permanently established, full mental potential is gained. Research has proven that when the number of TM meditators in an area is 1% of the area's population, violence and crime in the area declines. When "sidhas," individuals who have been taught advanced techniques that speed up the process, techniques that allow them to levitate, do their "yogic flying" together in a group, they can create the same effect with only the square root of 1%. 8,000 are needed in one group or a few more in smaller groups scattered around the globe to create an influence powerful enough to create a "peace effect." A book entitled Victory Before War describes this. www.victorybeforewar.org, www.uspeacegovernment.org, www.alltm.org, www.permanentpeace.org, www.tm.org, www.globalcountry.org, www.istpp.org, www.tesp.org, www.mum.edu, www.mou.org.
Posted by: Laurence Topliffe | Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 12:34 PM
To listen to the musical version of What's all the Fuss?
Please go to WWW.AcidPlanet.com/PianoPlayer/songs click on the title: "I Don't Care!" then click play. Also, please note that "What's all the fuss?" was written by Doug Patton not Pamela Foster. Thanks Frank.
Posted by: Frank Grasso | Monday, February 20, 2006 at 01:00 PM
I came here to post my personal viewpoint of this issue only to find that it had already been summed up. Excellent comments, Laurence. It is very true that the world needs to adjust its focus. War and conflict appear to be an integral part of life, one that can never be obliterated. But what fuels war? Hatred, fear, jealosy, and anger. In order to eradicate war, we have to illiminate these emotions, and view the world as one. Erase such illusions as race and religion from your thinking. We all come from the same place, for lack of a better term, and essentially we are all one. Many people have already reached the point of 'evolution' and see the world as it is. It is an illusion in itself; a seperation from God, or Spirit, or Source, whichever word resonates with you most. A world, or rather a state of being, free of terror and war is possible; we need only look inside ourselves. Until this happens, we will remain in this closed state, sharing our anger with the people around us; ourselves. War is not necessary. I will add one more website to Laurence's suggestions in hopes that you will feel inclined to change your perspective, and in doing so change the world. Thank you.
http://wiki.anhglobal.org
Posted by: Melissa Sharp | Saturday, March 18, 2006 at 07:51 PM
For those of you who justify the war on terror with the memory of the lives taken on September 11th, I ask you to consider this. If a bunch of redneck republican extremists gathered together and orchestrated a pre-9/11 attack on Afghanistan, one of the same devastation we saw in late 2001, would you condemn them? If they did it in the name of Heaven, seaking to spread the word of the Christian God, would you complain? If the Afghanis then declared war on America, would you support it? Would you support the labeling, torture, and humitiation of American civilians by Afghani soldiers in an effort to satisfy the needless loss of their own people? I highly doubt it. And before you say "Good Americans wouldn't do that" or "Good Christians wounldn't do that", recognize that your bullying in the Middle East is no different. America's presence in Iraq and Afghanistan has even lost the purpose of revenge. Believe me, those lives are lost both physically and in the minds of your govornment officials, replaced by dollar signs and oil rigs. Did your "president" not say himself that he didn't care for finding Osama?
PS: Your govornment profited greatly from 9/11. Be sure to wage a little war on your tax returns.
Posted by: Darryn Sharp | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 02:22 PM
First, I wish Pamela Foster had not used the phrase "I don't care". That casts a cavalier attitude that I don't adhere to at all. That having been said, if the Americans are exopected to, and I think the VAST majority of our soldiers do, abide by "correct" military behavior toward the opposing forces, then those opposing forces should be held to the same standard. No more no less. Unfortunately, perhaps, other than her use of that phrase, she has made several valid points.
Money makes the world go round! Who benefits by all the furor, splintering of factions, and the Christian vs. Muslim vs. Christian urgings? I don't enjoy feeling manipulated and I hope the Muslim people of Iraq don't either. They need to stand up to and say they will no longer put up with this counterproductive infighting.
Posted by: Maggie | Wednesday, March 22, 2006 at 02:33 PM